Joined Feb 3, 2011 Messages 12,075 Location N. Texas and S. Africa. Not always a fantastic component bullet We've got you covered.• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. bullets in both rifles and can say that the recoil in the WSM is a bit more stout than the standard .270. Can't tell the between it and my Remongton Mountain rifle in .270. shotgun and load in a breakopen vs. say an 1100. both … Impressive ammunition. The velocity increase comes via a … I hear a 270WSM recoils about like a standard weight 30.06. It wasn’t all marketing hype though; the .270 Winchester is a flat-shooting cartridge, perfect for deer and similar-sized game. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Besides, to achieve those impressive numbers, the 270 will need a standard amount … A big selection of rifles. Sa vitesse à la sortie du canon est de 821 m/s. Since practice is crucial to any successful hunt, and the .308 Win. vs. .270 Win. that is why I went with the lighter 270 in 130. The case is slightly longer than the .30-06—the .270 actually has the same length as the earlier .30-03, at 2.540-inch—and represents one of the early ‘fast’ cartridges to come onto the scene. My 270 WSM is a Tikka T3 Lite with a Sims Limb Saver recoil pad on it. more powder in the WSM. I do not agree with .270 recoil being the same as an 30-06 in the same weight rifle. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Jack O’Connor’s championing of the .270 Winchester may have been the best ringing endorsement of any cartridge if the 20th century; it became the favorite of millions of deer hunters, as well as those in pursuit of the wild sheep that Jack loved so much. This round is a great combination between a flat trajectory and moderate recoil. My 270WSM is 2# lighter than my 270 Win (5.75 vs 7.75#) and as the numbers indicated I no longer want to shoot that rifle, even with a sand filled sissy bag. The .308 Win. I picked PRC over the 270 WSM based on bullet selection for handloading. Did a slow motion capture of the recoil from a .270 WSM Remington 700 shooting 130 grain bullets. Create more recoil by 15% than the 6.5 version. The .270 Winchester Short Magnum is part of that family of cartridges based on the .404 Jeffery, which include the Remington Ultra Magnum and Short Action Ultra Magnums; it is designed to exceed the velocities of the .270 Winchester, but in a short action rifle. I had a 300wsm that with 180's in a savage with a tupperware stock was downright nasty! R.W.Dale, Dec 15, 2007 #6. The thing weighs about 9 1/4 lbs., as I recall. In all honesty, with the exception of the .300 WSM (and even that seems to be on the wane) the WSM line seems destined for obscurity. There isn't much difference in the trajectory of their bullets. The bore diameter of the .270 Winchester—.277″—is not exactly a very popular one; there are very few other cartridges using this bore diameter, certainly fewer than the 6.5mm, 7mm and .30s that surround it. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. My calculations indicate recoil in similar weight rifles at 18.5 ft/lbs for the 270 WSM and 15.75 ft/lb for the .270 Winchester when both are loaded to top speeds with a 130gn bullet. Maintaining the same 17˚-30′ shoulder of its parent, it drives the 130-grain bullets to right around 3100 fps, and the 150-grainers to nearly 3000 fps (both figures depending on barrel length) giving a trajectory that became ever-more appreciated as telescopic sights came into vogue. If you're looking into 1000 yard shooting, good bullet choice is going to be important. The thing to remember though is that in my case, the .270 Win. 270 vs 308 Ballistics. It is my long range gun. The .270 will have slightly less recoil than the .30-06 or .308, but the difference is not real noticeable. Joined: Dec 26, 2002 Messages: 11,058 Location: Southern Oregon . The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs .30-06 Springfield ammo rounds. Both are excellent cartridges. And the 7mm-08 Remington beats it is some comparisons. As you can see, the trend is very similar to what we saw above. I think the difference has more to do with the recoil pad than with velocity and/or bullet weight. Recoil is a moot point unless you are comparing identical rifles with different chamberings. Mag. It will still have plenty of energy for mule deer and is why thousands of hunters use the 270 Win and 270 WSM. felt recoil, recoil in ft/lbs, and recoil velocity or g forces are the same in the sense that it is the calculas derivative of the other, ft/lbs can be thought of as the final effect, but the time frame over which it is delivered (or the derivative) is the "kick" factor. For a more extensive look at more rounds, here are the averages for all forty rounds that we have compiled. Does a 270 kick less than a .338 mag YES. Contributing Member Gordon Contributing Member. With .308 and the .30-06, you have access to military surplus ammo. .270 win vs .270 WSM? I am not all that familiar with the WSM 270 round, I understand that there are better ballistics with it but are there any downsides other than the price/availability of ammo? Mag. I THINK a .243 has something like 12ftlbs of recoil, a .270 is something like 25ftlbs, and and 30-06 starts around 38ftlbs. On average you’ll need a heavier 7mm bullet which will produce more recoil IN AN ULTRALIGHT rifle like the one I’m putting together for this project. I'd vote for the 270 wsm. The 270 WSM is going to be a tad ahead of the 280AI. The WSM will have even more recoil. It just got left out for whatever reason, and because of that, it's pretty rare to see a long range hunting rifle or target shooter rocking a .277 caliber. Nov 20, 2011 #2. jguffie Senior Member. Friday, October 12, 2018. The release of the .270 Winchester in 1925 in the Winchester Model 54 rifle saw the beginning of the American love affair with velocity, as well as the laying of a solid foundation for the American bolt-action sporting rifle. It will give you a good idea anyway. With a 35˚ shoulder, and a 2.100″ case—the same as the .308 Winchester—the .270 WSM performs as advertised, giving a 200-250 fps advantage over its older sibling. Importantly, it does so without beating up the shooter. We can shorten the gentleman's wait time with a quick ballistic comparison right here, including some handling, weight, and recoil differences between these two excellent mid-power cartridges. Pushing a 150-grain bullet to 3250 fps, the .270 WSM certainly earns the Magnum title, but at what cost? Ajouter aux favoris. Thread starter #1. georgiaboy2109 Banned. Recoil or report for example? I plan on getting a 270wsm and than rebarreling when the barrels shot out or if it doesn't live up to expectations for accuracy with a 6.5wsm barrel. I have shot a lot of both and now with the onset of neck trouble am very concerned with recoil. Felt recoil difference between the .270 Win and .270 WSM? vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. Sgarababi. Tighten that twist up to 1:8″ or 1:8.5″, and you’d certainly be able to push the 170-grain bullets, like the Berger Extreme Outer Limits line, with the truly high B.C. However, the 270 WSM uses a heavier rifle and the .270 Winchester gets a slight edge when both are used in the same weight rifle. It will still have plenty of energy for mule deer and is why thousands of hunters use the 270 Win and 270 WSM. Thread starter georgiaboy2109; Start date Nov 20, 2011; Nov 20, 2011. It was in 2003, as Winchester was unveiling the follow-up cartridges to their .300 Winchester Short Magnum that the second .270 came to bear the Winchester moniker. I have both calibers in Model 70's. Recoil generated by a .270 Winchester is just a shade past comfortable, but it's not painful. Re: Felt recoil difference between the .270 Win and .270 WSM? If the barrel lengths are fairly close the mzl reports will be similar albeit a bit more with the WSM. Compound that with the feeding problems that the WSM line of cartridges can exhibit—I’ve seen a few rifles that feed reliably, but most are finicky at best—and the way the short, fat case quickly eats up magazine space, and I feel the original .270 Winchester makes a better design than does the WSM. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. A subscriber to my You Tube Channel (Ron Spomer Outdoors,) requested a 270 Winchester and 7mm-08 Remington comparison. J’en connais deux en utilisation mixte, battue de gros et chevreuils, dont l’un est utilisé en plus pour le chamois en haute montagne. I've had numerous other .270 Wins over the years as well. The .270 is about twice as much, but still VERY light. I've owned a whole raft of 7mm's in all kinds of configurations - so I'm going to play the game with .280 vs 7mm Short Mag (pretty much the same scenario as the .270 win vs 270 WSM) Not much to choose between the two, if I had to pick one or the other, I usually reach past the Short mag and the .280 gets to go hunting. Comparing the .270 with the 7mm Remington magnum is like comparing grits and white cornmeal. Winchester Model 70 chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum & Remington Model 700 chambered in .270 Winchester. You can … Which one yall think is better? Ultimately want the overall performance down range (and within 100yds..) on game to be what makes the decision. has not. Posted by 6 days ago.270 win vs .270 WSM? Had Winchester changed the twist rate, allowing the .270 to run heavy bullets, we may never have heard of the 6.5 Creedmoor, but alas, history is history. Thats from memory and not verified. Get a good used .270 Winchester. By necking down the .30-06 case to shoot smaller diameter bullets, the designers of the .270 Winchester built a cartridge with a higher velocity, flatter trajectory, and less recoil than the .30-06 Springfield. Le plus rapide est le 270 WSM trop rapide en battue. Does a 270 kick less than a .338 mag YES. However, the boosted speed and energy requires more powder and longer action, resulting in a heavyweight gun and higher recoil. My condolences to those poor misguided souls. Privacy Policy • Contact Us • Warnings • FAQs • © 2021 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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The 300 WSM and 325 WSM also have the benefit of doing all of the above with a modest decrease in recoil compared to the .300 Win Mag and .338 Win Mag while the 270 WSM offers a definite improvement in velocity over the .270 Winchester. I'm considering getting a .270 WSM in either the Kimber Montana or the Classic. But the .308 Win. With the bullets available in the 1920s and 30s, it showed its limits on elk and the larger cervids—Elmer Keith certainly took exception to using the fast/light combination on game of this caliber—but the .270 was an undeniable deer killer. If economical ammo is of importance, then forget about the .270. It is not uncomfortable at the range if I shoot 25 or 30 rounds through it. My 270 WSM is a Tikka T3 Lite with a Sims Limb Saver recoil pad on it. gives all the velocity any rifleman would need, within sane hunting ranges. HITS * Milder recoil and muzzle blast * Volumes of load data and plenty of ammo * Additional round of ammo in most mags MISSES * Less energy and speed at longer ranges * Requires a longer action * Slighty steeper trajectory .270 WSM HITS The thing to remember though is that in my case, the .270 Win. 270 vs 308 Ballistics. WildRose Well-Known Member. Does anyone have an opinion on the .270 WSM versus the other 2 calibers? The 270 Winchester is the winner in most categories, but not by a wide margin. .270 win vs .270wsm. Like any .270 Magnum, the WSM version has too much powder capacity for the light 90-120 grain bullets. Anyway, I always use 150 gr. In my opinion, one of the drawbacks of all three of the .270s is their twist rate. Lbs.) i have 2 friends who love their WSMs... they seem to kick a little more shareply than a .270 win. I figured the bore was only 0.013 smaller but I'd have access to more options for reloading. The 270 WSM is a true magnum cartridge.. what the 270 does in terms of accuracy and shooting "flat" at a distance, the 270 WSM does better.. 270 WSM has benchrest accuracy capability and maintains enough speed that it can be shot at large game animals hundreds of yards further than the old school 270...but.. there is a price to pay for that.. I know the .300 beats both, but I just don't like the recoil of a .300 WM. I am thinking about rebarreling one of my 6.5WSMs to 270WSM now that the LRAB is available. Which one yall think is better? In the real world, firearms chambered for less powerful cartridges are typically built lighter than firearms chambered for more powerful cartridges. At the time, the lever gun held court in the hunting fields, though through the writings of Mr. O’Connor, change was on the wind. As you can see, the two cartridges have almost identical amounts of recoil with the 270 WSM in this particular example actually having a tiny bit less free recoil energy than the .270 Winchester. I owned a .270 WSM for 10 years, but I used it a lot. this recoil impulse, is best explained using the same wt. vs. 7mm Rem. Like the .270 Weatherby Magnum—released 60 years prior to the .270 WSM—it betters the velocity of the .270 Winchester, but I’m not certain that the increased velocity is necessarily required. If you're looking into 1000 yard shooting, good bullet choice is going to be important. Very light recoil even with 100gr bullets. Yeah, I'm a 27 cal. An Overview Of 6.5 Creedmoor Vs. 270 270 Winchester. is slightly stiffer. Typically, all three are provided with a 1:10″ twist rate, which limits the bullet weight to 150 grains. The recoil numbers you calculate on the various web sites I think are pretty good (based on rifle weight, bullet weight and powder capacity, etc) and in my experience once you get the calibration of the numbers to your desired recoil limit they are a good indicator. With a 35˚ shoulder, and a 2.100″ case—the same as the .308 Winchester—the .270 WSM performs as advertised, giving a 200-250 fps advantage over its older sibling. What you get with the .270 WSM is about 150-200 fps more than you get with the standard cartridge. My condolences to those poor misguided souls. Like the .270 Weatherby Magnum—released 60 years prior to the .270 WSM—it betters the velocity of the .270 Winchester, but … IMO, if Remington had come out with 280 first, the "270 vs 280" argument would have never become a thing - 270 would be a minor foot note of interest to people like Boddington and a few others.
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