I have the Denon 1804 but the dealer was pushing a Yamaha 640 model (one of their newer receivers) which did sound pretty good. You don't need a center channel, but it is by far the most important speaker to have. Center speakers tend to sound boxy, so Denzel Washington sounds like he's in a box. Kevin : Can you trade the wife instead? Upgrading to larger mains really won't help the problem of not having a center. Without it one cannot expect to hear a spatially detailed phantom scene on program material. Even though I told my Integra no Center Speaker, the Audessy calibration still sent the signal so I had to disconnect the cabling from the speaker… Maybe I'm just convincing myself not to buy a Center channel to match my … The centre speaker was originally proposed by Bell laboratories before the introduction of stereo... as it insured good imaging for numerous seating positions. I am considering an upgrade to a processor as I have never used the amps in my AVR. 3) Your center channel placement would be way out of line with your left and right 4) Your center channel is horrible and dialogue is muddy. 253 Posts . It is the channel that is mostly, or fully, dedicated to the reproduction of the dialogue of an audiovisual program. Everyone will be happy. Your link has been automatically embedded. But as stated above, to get the center speaker to actually produce any sound in regular use from just stereo input, you need a 5.1 or 7.1 receiver which not only amplifies, but will convert stereo input to fill out all 5.1 or 7.1 speaker channels. Without it one cannot expect to hear a spatially detailed phantom scene on program material. I've used both phantom and center speakers and my preference is for phantom. The idea is increase just the content coded for the center channel. kevincaudill, September 20, 2003 in Technical/Modifications. Useful in theatres this practice is often unnneeded in homes. As another poster has stated the use of the center speaker is to anchor sound to the center of the screen for customers of to the sides of the screen. The HK receivers have a setting for "Phantom". Gleichzeitig … Or course, I am also talking about using a full-size center channel speaker identical to those used for the main L and R. BTW, my experiments with the 3.0 SACDs were the most convincing of the necessity for a center channel but creating a phantom center with them was as unsatisfying as deriving the center signal from the stereo tracks. The PHANTOM M-375 has been developed with multi-channel in mind and is equally suited for front, center or surround positioning. sure it may degrade your sound somewhat, but it is not noticeable to me. I have a 65" curved screen TV. The ideal/expected placement for the speakers … Pasted as rich text. Nonsense. Can't comment much on in-wall speakers other than you better be sure your TV and chairs won't be changing positions...hard to move in-wall speakers. This is only valid for the 'sweet spot', there both speakers can be heard with about the same time … For a good effect, they should be close to the TV which may affect the soundstage for Music. In fact a phantom center, relying on the front R/L speakers, will create a phenomenal experience for the front audio. While I DO believe that phantom mode is preferable to a poorly matched/positioned center, it severely limits the elusive sweet spot. Featuring 3 x 7 inch woofers, it offers spacious and roomfilling DALI sound in your home cinema or listening room. My dealer said you could set the receiver to some sort of "phantom center channel" mode where you wouldnt need a center channel at all, claims you cant tell a difference. Outdoors for music listening it will be heard just the way it is heard indoors; if the speakers face the listening area, and the two speakers and the listening area form three points of a triangle with roughly equal sides. Seriously, though, it's your home, too. A difference in intensity (volume) will cause the sound to appear to come from the louder side. BUT, what do I do about my center channel? Maybe it wont be as intrusive then. You can sit in the sweet spot and have your wife sit next to you... after all she is willing to sacrifice the centre. Measuring 5 x 13 x 4 inches, the Yamaha NS-C210BL is a center channel speaker that fits horizontally on any bookshelf, thanks to its unique design. There’s also an inherent problem with a phantom center in that it only works for listeners in or near the sweet spot; someone seated close to the left speaker, for example, will hear the signal as coming from that speaker alone. F. fredk Audioholic General. My amplifier is home to two potted plants to satisfy the wife. This is probably the most common matrix surround system in use today. TV mounted over the fireplace (wife mandated). You don't need a center channel, but it is by far the most important speaker to have. Phantom center means that all signals meant for the center channel would be split and sent to the Right & Left speakers. Center channel is (L+R)/2 (if both are equal, it is mono, and center has this value. All of my music collection is on CD, SACD, DVD-Audio and Blu-ray. If I were to get two mariners and the amp, the mariners would most likely be a bit behind the viewer/listener. Apr 23, 2008 #5 I remember reading somewhere that the phantom center will work well for the sweet spot, but poorly off axis. If both are opposite, there's no central content, so this is zero) "pure" left channel would be the left minus this center channel. For a good effect, they should be close to the TV which may affect the soundstage for Music. I'm currently using phantom centre mode with my setup, as the alnico Heresys I bought won't fit with my TV unit at the moment. Over the weekend I had a chance to try it. So now i am faced with possibly going inwall for the rear surrounds, which i dont think will make a huge problem. When you have a small TV, like a 32" set, the "phantom" center is usually workable, but when you get into the larger screen sizes, always use an AV receiver and add a center channel speaker. The center channel eliminates the need of creating a phantom center with left and right stereo speakers. In many cases people have put the center channel too low and with phantom center the speech comes at correct height from mains, possibly you had it inside av-cabinet / against wall / coffee table between speaker and listener etc. Creates Reference Quality Theater with Phantom Loudspeaker System or Snell’s Flagship Illusion. Conversely, if i go inwall with the center could i still use the two tower RF-25s since it will be so far behind them? Believe me, when using a pair of good speakers in phantom mode there's no problem with lack of clarity or crispness. When the same sound arrives at both ears at the same time with the same intensity, it appears to originate from a point in the center of the two speakers. You guys who are voting for the phantom center are so used to sitting in your perfect LP that you may be forgetting that the phantom center doesn't image as well if you are off-center.
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